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		<title>By: OffGrid</title>
		<link>http://ecotality.com/life/2007/09/03/go-solar-room-by-room/comment-page-1/#comment-2973</link>
		<dc:creator>OffGrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 15:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This would be a good way to get an introduction to solar, but I don't know that I would recommend all of this expense for 1 35 watt panel.  I would also recommend buying higher quality components than bargain basement equipment and slowly trying to build a system.  This is an interesting idea though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would be a good way to get an introduction to solar, but I don&#8217;t know that I would recommend all of this expense for 1 35 watt panel.  I would also recommend buying higher quality components than bargain basement equipment and slowly trying to build a system.  This is an interesting idea though.</p>
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		<title>By: Kreative Kubits » Going Solar Room By Room</title>
		<link>http://ecotality.com/life/2007/09/03/go-solar-room-by-room/comment-page-1/#comment-2491</link>
		<dc:creator>Kreative Kubits » Going Solar Room By Room</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Now here is a novel idea that I didn&#8217;t think of myself. If bears further thought&#8230; what about getting off the grid room by room? Read the original article Going Solar Room by Room [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Now here is a novel idea that I didn&#8217;t think of myself. If bears further thought&#8230; what about getting off the grid room by room? Read the original article Going Solar Room by Room [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Technut News &#187; Go Solar For Less Than $600</title>
		<link>http://ecotality.com/life/2007/09/03/go-solar-room-by-room/comment-page-1/#comment-2369</link>
		<dc:creator>Technut News &#187; Go Solar For Less Than $600</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Go Solar, Room by Room [...]</description>
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		<title>By: OK_EE</title>
		<link>http://ecotality.com/life/2007/09/03/go-solar-room-by-room/comment-page-1/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>OK_EE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 05:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not such a great deal.  You have to look at the sustainability of the system.  32W is maximum, without tracking hardware you will never see that.  If you average 20W you are probably doing well.  For 12 hours a day, this works out to a total of 240Wh of potential work.  Big deal.  For $600?  No thanks.  

This is a misleading article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not such a great deal.  You have to look at the sustainability of the system.  32W is maximum, without tracking hardware you will never see that.  If you average 20W you are probably doing well.  For 12 hours a day, this works out to a total of 240Wh of potential work.  Big deal.  For $600?  No thanks.  </p>
<p>This is a misleading article.</p>
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		<title>By: beth</title>
		<link>http://ecotality.com/life/2007/09/03/go-solar-room-by-room/comment-page-1/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 04:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good read! 

Even IF going solar piecemeal is "the lease cost effective," some people may NOT have a chunk of money to do otherwise. Likewise, some who do have enough $, might need/want to use it for purposes other than larger scale conversions to solar. The fact that one can get "into" solar in such a small way -- and at such a relative low price -- IS the point of the article.  

Additionally, economic efficiency is not the sole reason peole convert to solar. People have different motives, along with different sized bank accounts. Helping the environment out -- even if the monetary payback isn't there -- might be a main reason for some.  Being fully or (in the case of this article) partially energy independent might be another. I'm sure for some folks who've experienced a power outage for even just a few hours, let alone a day or so, just a wee bit of energy independence -- a few lights and/or a small appliance or two -- would have been a godsend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good read! </p>
<p>Even IF going solar piecemeal is &#8220;the lease cost effective,&#8221; some people may NOT have a chunk of money to do otherwise. Likewise, some who do have enough $, might need/want to use it for purposes other than larger scale conversions to solar. The fact that one can get &#8220;into&#8221; solar in such a small way &#8212; and at such a relative low price &#8212; IS the point of the article.  </p>
<p>Additionally, economic efficiency is not the sole reason peole convert to solar. People have different motives, along with different sized bank accounts. Helping the environment out &#8212; even if the monetary payback isn&#8217;t there &#8212; might be a main reason for some.  Being fully or (in the case of this article) partially energy independent might be another. I&#8217;m sure for some folks who&#8217;ve experienced a power outage for even just a few hours, let alone a day or so, just a wee bit of energy independence &#8212; a few lights and/or a small appliance or two &#8212; would have been a godsend.</p>
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		<title>By: Windsun</title>
		<link>http://ecotality.com/life/2007/09/03/go-solar-room-by-room/comment-page-1/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>Windsun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 23:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>" I thought the article was going to instruct me on how to â€œGo solar, room by room..."

Well, first of all, that is the LEAST cost effective way to do it. By far the most cost effective is a grid tie system that offsets ANY power usage in the house.

The system described above might work for a small backwoods cabin or occaisional use RV, but not much else. It is really poor efficiency and expensive to just convert a couple of lights or something in a house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; I thought the article was going to instruct me on how to â€œGo solar, room by room&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, first of all, that is the LEAST cost effective way to do it. By far the most cost effective is a grid tie system that offsets ANY power usage in the house.</p>
<p>The system described above might work for a small backwoods cabin or occaisional use RV, but not much else. It is really poor efficiency and expensive to just convert a couple of lights or something in a house.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://ecotality.com/life/2007/09/03/go-solar-room-by-room/comment-page-1/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 16:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Far from bragging or useless, this post is quite informative.

If you canâ€™t figure out how to assemble the PV system from the parts list mentioned, then youâ€™ve got no business attempting it.

PV panel â€“&#62; Charger â€“&#62; Battery â€“&#62; Inverter

Thatâ€™s the recipe for every simple PV system.

This is a good way to get started. Itâ€™s a modular approach instead of a full-fledged system. As you have cash available, you can add additional parts and upgrade the ones you already have. Additional PV panels can be plugged directly into the charger; additional batteries add power capacity; a second inverter can power another room, or a new, larger inverter could power larger appliances.

Even though the 32 watt PV panel is no longer available from that company, other companies probably still have them, or you could go with a larger one.

As far as the code issues: You can either hire the electrician, or (in most places) you can just DIY it properly. If you don't know the code, either learn it or hire that electrician. This is actually a very simple installation, code-wise.  No part of this system should connect to your existing wiring (unless, of course, you disconnect your existing wiring from grid power)  It gets a bit more complicated when you try to feed power back through the electric meter, but this system is a LONG way from that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Far from bragging or useless, this post is quite informative.</p>
<p>If you canâ€™t figure out how to assemble the PV system from the parts list mentioned, then youâ€™ve got no business attempting it.</p>
<p>PV panel â€“&gt; Charger â€“&gt; Battery â€“&gt; Inverter</p>
<p>Thatâ€™s the recipe for every simple PV system.</p>
<p>This is a good way to get started. Itâ€™s a modular approach instead of a full-fledged system. As you have cash available, you can add additional parts and upgrade the ones you already have. Additional PV panels can be plugged directly into the charger; additional batteries add power capacity; a second inverter can power another room, or a new, larger inverter could power larger appliances.</p>
<p>Even though the 32 watt PV panel is no longer available from that company, other companies probably still have them, or you could go with a larger one.</p>
<p>As far as the code issues: You can either hire the electrician, or (in most places) you can just DIY it properly. If you don&#8217;t know the code, either learn it or hire that electrician. This is actually a very simple installation, code-wise.  No part of this system should connect to your existing wiring (unless, of course, you disconnect your existing wiring from grid power)  It gets a bit more complicated when you try to feed power back through the electric meter, but this system is a LONG way from that one.</p>
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		<title>By: bernz</title>
		<link>http://ecotality.com/life/2007/09/03/go-solar-room-by-room/comment-page-1/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>bernz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez, Mike, does Lois have to do everything for you?  She's just presenting some ideas as a jumping point/inspiration.  As for connecting stuff together, there is no universal recipe -- it requires research and contemplation, or you can hire an expert.  The real value of the post is in the reports of practical results (run times, etc) and the links to give you ideas of where/how to shop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, Mike, does Lois have to do everything for you?  She&#8217;s just presenting some ideas as a jumping point/inspiration.  As for connecting stuff together, there is no universal recipe &#8212; it requires research and contemplation, or you can hire an expert.  The real value of the post is in the reports of practical results (run times, etc) and the links to give you ideas of where/how to shop.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto</title>
		<link>http://ecotality.com/life/2007/09/03/go-solar-room-by-room/comment-page-1/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The catch here is it would take 34.5 hours of ideal solar conditions to charge the battery. On average we get 3.2 per day. So 11 days to charge the batteries. 

Okay to maintain the batteries on 32W of PV you would be limited to 100Wh per day. That would be about 2 hours for a 50W laptop, not 40hours. That is for New England. Arizona maybe it is 3 hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The catch here is it would take 34.5 hours of ideal solar conditions to charge the battery. On average we get 3.2 per day. So 11 days to charge the batteries. </p>
<p>Okay to maintain the batteries on 32W of PV you would be limited to 100Wh per day. That would be about 2 hours for a 50W laptop, not 40hours. That is for New England. Arizona maybe it is 3 hours.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 04:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I probably misunderstood the purpose of the article. I thought the article was going to instruct me on how to "Go solar, room by room". I now see that the article is simply proposing this good idea as a possibility, but isn't actually trying to explain how to go from idea to reality. (The links provided in the comments help, but not enough for it to be realistic.) Seeing a parts list led me to believe that this was something real and not a thought experiment.

Curt, although the pieces used for uncle's camper likely are very similar to the pieces quoted in this article, it's very unlikely that your deployment really fit into the model of what was being proposed by the article. In particular, I doubt that the camper was both utilizing solar power and regular ole grid power at the same time, which seems to be the point of doing a phased approach to a solar deployment.

Don't this or my prior comment wrong. I'd LOVE to see this be a practical solution, but right now, I am not seeing how I can run my kitchen on solar power and my living room off the grid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I probably misunderstood the purpose of the article. I thought the article was going to instruct me on how to &#8220;Go solar, room by room&#8221;. I now see that the article is simply proposing this good idea as a possibility, but isn&#8217;t actually trying to explain how to go from idea to reality. (The links provided in the comments help, but not enough for it to be realistic.) Seeing a parts list led me to believe that this was something real and not a thought experiment.</p>
<p>Curt, although the pieces used for uncle&#8217;s camper likely are very similar to the pieces quoted in this article, it&#8217;s very unlikely that your deployment really fit into the model of what was being proposed by the article. In particular, I doubt that the camper was both utilizing solar power and regular ole grid power at the same time, which seems to be the point of doing a phased approach to a solar deployment.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t this or my prior comment wrong. I&#8217;d LOVE to see this be a practical solution, but right now, I am not seeing how I can run my kitchen on solar power and my living room off the grid.</p>
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